Anyone seen that Al Gore film?

I haven't seen it yet, but after speaking to a friend of mine tonight who has been studying the effect of climate change for the past 7 years, who said that what Al Gore has said concurs with everything he has found. We had a quite detailed sicussion about this, and tbh, I'm worried.

Lets discuss. More to the point, I think we are obliged to discuss this.

Please, lets keep this objective and neutral.

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Not seen it but would like to. Personally I think we've gone past the point of no return. For two reasons really: 1) If all environmentally harmful activity stopped tomorrow across the globe, global warming would continue for many years and the effects would still be detrimental. 2) Even if, hyperthetically, stopping all environmentally harmful activity within 5 years could have an immediate reversal effect and stop the damage thus leaving us back the way things should be; this will not happen.

This will not happen within the next 10 years or 20 years or however many years because let's face it, there are too many developing nations now who don't know jack shit about protecting the environment and franky don't care and the major developed nations of the world don't do much to help either. every so often a new surprise is sprung on us that we didn't predict. Just the other day I saw a report on Northern Tundra warming up so that the frozen mud thaws releasing millions of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere. Who would have though eh?

There's also the problem of cheap flights. If you have the choice to travel by land, sea or air, choose land or sea. Flying across europe for less than 100 quid might seem like great idea but that flight will probably produce as much CO2 as the average family car produces in a year.

Ironically all the contrails from Aircraft are actually helping to mask us from further global warming. After the events of 9/11 scientists recorded a massive increase in solar penetration after flights across the USA were stopped.

Just thought I'd throw my penny's worth in from the top of my head. I've got no official figures or references for any of the above but a quick Google search will point you in the right direction. It's too late for me to do it myself :P

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there was a report a few weeks back that a hole ine o zone layer had actually shrunk inone particular area.

However then a few days or a week later there was a report on p[ermenantly frozen land actually thoring out....

so feck knows what to think.

I dare say the dmg is reversible....or we are atleast able to slow it down if not stop it altogether.

However i cant see this happening anytime soon as so many buisnesses and homes rely on the very stuff that causes this dmg to survive.

Untill an obtainable clean source of fuel/energy is found or made in the current amounts we use, we wont see any change imo.

Whilst I in no way blame you, that is exactly what every wolrd leader has though since the original idea of climate change was proposed to them. Its ultimately just a harsh realisation that the human race was doomed to destrcution

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think he meant its to late for him to get the google link...lol

Yeah I meant it's too late for me to link references and that. lol

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I wouldn't be so sure, how old are you? It may not happen in your lifetime if you're old enough. (I really wish I was brought up in the sixties)

Worst case scenario, if things carry on the way they are, then it will become a worldwide crisis in 20 years or so. There would be untold destruction to our environmental and social strcture. It really would be mayhem. :'(

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Interesting.

This is a bit off topic, but I watched something the other day saying the world is going to turn into a right mess when we reach 50% of the oil reserve.

All the third would countries are going to get alot worse not being able to offord oil, and fights over oil etc.

Cant think now when they said this date was but it was something silly like 10-20 years.

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haha, lol, ok. I'm just in a serious state of mind about this.

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Yeah apparently the ozone layer hole (above me :<) is closing up, but imo the radical weather is only going to get worse over the years and its pretty fucked up already.

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again i meant i cant see them finding an alternative clean fuel source in the quantites we use atm and switching to it anytime soon

Doesn't China build a new coal-burn powerplant, like, every day or something stupid like that?

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Damm you posted that fast.

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1223/p01s04-sten.html

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yup, the social side of it is going to be very severe. The over population due to greatly decreased landmass, mixed with the lack of agriculture and general resources will bring the world into total anarchy. Marshal Law will occur. Thats the theory anyway. Could it mark the end of the Human race? (apart from the wealthy ofc, those cunts will always be ok)

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tbh the problem is every other option governments sugegsts get shot down by some group of people or another.

For instance nucleur, afaik this is clean energy apart from the waste it produces. But ovbiously that can be dealt with to a certaiin extent the problem is the length of time it takes for the stuff to become safe lol.

Howveer the suggestion of this gets idiots like green peace running around saying its bad etc.

Sure the waste is abd but is it as bad as what the current dmg were doing to the environment would be ?

Oh and Private-Eye readers will also be aware of the emissions quota trading too which kind of fucks up any environmental protocol. I think this is a similar story from the coincidentally named Eye Weekly. http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_07.22.04/op/oped.php

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With all the different things that can go wrong I wouldnt be surprised if life on earth was extinct in the next 100 years.

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lol,k. I'm getting a bit over-enthusiastic

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the way i see it they have to start somewhere and swapping the coal plants for nucleur is the first step.

Not by any means the final one but it gives you extra time to find a better source rather than continue pumping out crap into the atmosphere.