In an open letter this morning British Muslim MP's blame Tony Blair for the terrorist thing... Instead of outright condemning the terrorist actions, they look to be trying to justify the actions of there community. They start by blaming the PM for the "debacle of Iraq" where the reason Uk and US forces are still there is the ongoing offensive by Muslim fighters. They go on to blame him for the current conflict in Israel that WAS STARTED my Hezbollah Muslims. TBH these people to look further inwards for the root cause of these actions.


"Prime Minister, As British Muslims we urge you to do more to fight against all those who target civilians with violence, whenever and wherever that happens.

It is our view that current British government policy risks putting civilians at increased risk both in the UK and abroad.

To combat terror the government has focused extensively on domestic legislation. While some of this will have an impact, the government must not ignore the role of its foreign policy.

The debacle of Iraq and now the failure to do more to secure an immediate end to the attacks on civilians in the Middle East not only increases the risk to ordinary people in that region, it is also ammunition to extremists who threaten us all.

Attacking civilians is never justified. This message is a global one. We urge the Prime Minister to redouble his efforts to tackle terror and extremism and change our foreign policy to show the world that we value the lives of civilians wherever they live and whatever their religion.

Such a move would make us all safer."

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im getting kinda sick and tired of this bullshit.

is there an answer

I don't see anything wrong with the letter. Seems to be spot on.

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Indeed it is Kas. Hezbollah started it Asir? It's Israel who are at fault, they shouldnt be there in the first place and thats why Hezbollah have been fighting them for so long.

Israel have a vastly superior armed force in comparison to Hezbollah and are currently inidiscriminately killing Palestinian civillians. We, as a nation, should be condemning these actions, but instead we're supporting them by allowing usa to ship arms to Israel through our country... if i was a british muslim, id be pretty pissed too.

But no, i dont have an answer for all this either :/

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The whole thing about US supporting Israel without taking the opportunity to question the barbaric ways they lead their wars is a pretty grim thing with a wall of silence around it.

I dont see them blaiming Tony Blair or justifying their society. I see them communicating openly and with respect about the situation and how to better avoid it.

Still this whole thing sucks. Fucking religion i say.

I always liked Blair. The Afghanastan war I believed in 100%, as once 9/11 happened a message needed to be sent. For too long the UK had allowed extremists to gather here freely and preach their crap without any threat of legal recrimination.

After 9/11 Blair had to either continue to let the UK be used as a safe haven, or finally sent out a message that they had gone too far. Invading Afghanastan and assisting in the hunt for Bin Laden was the first step, and the terrorism laws that followed were there to ensure that we no longer allowed these murderous bastards to live in our country.

The Iraq thing... Well, we all know how that turned out. That said, I think Blair had the best intentions. We elected him to do his job to the best of his ability. I believe he was well intentioned when the decision was made to invade Iraq, and that he was blindly led by the US. Even though we now know the information he based his decision on was bullshit, and the Iraq was is a bullshit war, I believe that he thought he was doing the right thing. For that reason alone, he should not be blamed for the outcome.

The Israel thing... well that's different. There is no way on earth he believes he is doing the right thing by refusing to condemn the completely OTT way that Israel has handled events. The fact that he has not made a statement to justify them is proof enough of his own beliefs. The problem now is that his fate is tied to that of Bush. Since the Iraq debacle, he has lost a lot of goodwill throughout the world and the power he wields has eroded to the point that without the support of the US, Blair would be powerless on the world stage. For that reason, he can not afford to have a public disagreement with the US. That is the reason that the UK are unwilling to either support or condemn Israel whilst allowing out airports to be used as refuelling points for the US munitions that are being sent.

Whatever Blair's faults though he has never done anything that justifies blowing up planes filled with passengers of all nationalities. Heathrow is the busiest airport in the world thanks to the fact that it is the last refuelling point before the US. The number of planes being targetted would have ensured that almost every civilised country would have suffered at least one fatality. This attack was not planned to bring about any kind of peace in the Middle east. It was planned to attack every single country in the west, and ensure that the current situation in the Middle East is inflamed further to the point of World War III. Remember... once the US (and inevitably the UK) openly assist Israel, Iran and Syria will openly assist Lebanon. Our forces are already stretched thin with the Afghanastan and Iraq situtation and the loony middle eastern states are looking to exploit that weakness by forcing another war in the region.

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ive seen a reportage about a islamistic school in northern india (cant remember the name, but they have 3000 "pupils").
the school director said something belong the lines that only the koran brings peace to the world, which makes me believe that all believing muslims are in some ways fascists! it looked sad how an 8 year old learned the koran by heart, when the reporter asked him something he reacted as if he had no own mind, just repeating some sentences from the koran.
but the director also said that they dont support force in their little town and dont want "holy warriors" between their lines...


imo blair did the right think with invading afghanistan nd iraq, that just focused the media to these eastern countrys and shows their true face (tho id be pissed too if some people came and take my land calling it israel...)

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Yes they did - about a month ago Hezbollah fighters entered Israel to kidnap and probably murder two Israeli solders, this kicked off this whole situation. When the agreed goal of the majority of Muslims in the area is the "elimination of the Zionist regime" aka destroy Israel, I can understand, and justify the actions that Israel have taken since in full.

When Hitler wanted to eliminate the most of Europe were we correct to stand up against him, then what is the difference to the situation Israel find themselves in now.

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Religion is the best excuse ever invented to act like a complete cunt to another human being.

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While I'm well aware of Hezbollah's kidnapping of the 2 Israeli soldiers, I'm not naieve enough to think that that's the reason Israel are doing what theyre doing now. As far as Israel are concerned, this was probably as good an excuse as they were going to get to be able to steamroll into Palestinian territory and destroy a peoples will to fight. And thats what theyre trying to do.

Do you have any idea how attrociously the Palestinian people have been treated by Israel? I find it hard to imagine you do as you seem firm on defending Israels 'right' to massacre Palestinian civillians on a daily basis.

I'm disgusted at the lack of international condemnation for Israel's actions. But until their backers, the good old U S of A tells them to back off, theyre gonna keep right on killing till theyre satisfied.

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There is a nice pretty objective article about the conflict here :

http://www.mideastweb.org/nutshell.htm

My conclusion is, that it's hard to pick sides in such a way that has been going on for ages and caused mostly by religion. It's seemingly confused by different perspectives and storys of what has really been happening.
Now it's caught in an evil circle that IMO should be stopped somehow by an objective party, but i guess that is way easyer said than done as it seems support for either sides will end in extremists from either Palestina or Israel to take action on western societys mangling.

I say weed up their water supply.

Hezbollah are basically doing what Iran are telling them. Syria and Iran both want full scale war in the region.

It speaks volumes that other arab nations (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan etc) aren't condemning Israel. They don't want Iran or Syria to get a stronger foot hold anymore than the US or UN would.